so do you know or not which one is faster apollo13

yes or nop?

if no I would throw a compiler at it

well depends on how many objects you are looping over

2k

how many times are you looping through it?

cause the iterator will only work once iirc

...ofc

just asked which one if faster apollo13 !

well that depends, if you want to use it more than once, some of the choices aren't an option

so what do you expect…

I just asked which one is faster not a lesson about iterators list and whateva apollo13

...

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seriously I'm happy you trying to help me but it looks like you're trolling me really

I just asked one thing and this discussion is already long 30lines~

it looks like you are trolling

I just asked which implementation is faster not which one I should use

well that depends on how many times you want to use that fucking queryset during one view, and now stop trolling

ONCE... if I gave myself that option there is some reason

well for once, iterator might perfom best

okay thx, finally :P

or the other one without list

I would profile that if I were you

okay

but I doubt that is your botteneck

don't they both give an iterator?

well I'm just optimizing everything I can apollo13

there is no big probem with the site, got over 60k pageviews per day and the site is still fast even being on a celeron server

well then I would refrain from such changes

optimise where needed, not were you think it might cause problems someday

Is there a way to break up long lines inside a {% %} block in a template?

how do you test a model method to see if it's empty or not? trying to write a merge function and want to see if my src object has a method or is still empty

seanc: ?! you are sure you are talking about methods and not attributes?

apollo13: err.. yeah, attribute. foo = models.CharField(...)

well the easiest is to check if the pk is None

apollo13: it's actually for a ForeignKey attribute on a new object... what's the default value

None I'd assume

apollo13: but I want to do it on a per-attribute basis... drat, I'm testing None but that's clearly not right

looks like it would be faster w/o iterator()

because the query would get cached

am I right?

if src.foo is not None results in something... was hoping that it was a simple method call for the attribute

Man, the problem is that asking google "django linebreaks between {% %}" won't work.

lux`: yes, but why would you wan't the query to get cached if you'd only use it ONCE (see the point in my questions now?)

JordiGH: Found a stackoverflow response that says Django's template syntax has no concept of escape characters

seanc: none that I am aware of, cause fields can give you pretty much everything they want

vreon: Hm, link?

I already cache it for 1hour with memcached, the result but it might be unchanged for more than 1hour apollo13

also I meant it's used once in the view

It talks about {{ and such, but I'd think you'd need a way to escape the line breaks

lux`: just make sure to cache the results and not the qs itself ;)

vreon: Hmm....

I guess I can live without linebreak in one verbose {% %} block.

and well if it's unchanged for a longtime I would set memcached to infinity (kinda) and manually clear memcache if your data changes

wow... nested try blocks are the only way to go. Kinda makes merging objects of the same type a bit of a PITA. Ah well.

what is better practice, making separate apps for login / registration / profile edit .. or bundle them together into one user management app?

I'm using django auth's login and django-registration, so mine are separate

separate

cool thanks

anybody having trouble building the 1.2.1 docs with sphinx 1.0.1?

hi

whats a good way to separate GET/POST/PUT/DELETE view functions for one URL? use a class with a dispatcher, or some decorator system?

Does anyone know why setting DATETIME_FORMAT in settings.py won't update the format shown in the change list?

um

I just wanted to let you know that your site is down

when I go to http://docs.djangoproject.org/ I get "<h1>404 - Not Found</h1> Not Found (no configured vhost)"

awilcox: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.2/

awilcox: s/org/com/

.com

...oh.

It seems impossible in django to change the format of date fields shown in the change list (without resorting to a callable, which would kill sort functionality).

thanke you ericholscher, marcosmoyano, and vreon.

it works now >.>

Ugh. The dates in my admin look like this: "2010-07-31 14:33:39.814855". Looks like poo. Django docs say the default is "N j, Y, P", which apparently it's not following. Any ideas?

savid: there's a reference to USE_L10N in there. Have you tried that already ?

marcosmoyano, yeah, I've set it to False

What's odd is they said they fixed it here: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/2203

apart from the milliseconds.. what's wrong with that date format?

FunkyBob, um nothing. The seconds & milliseconds is what I don't like -- makes it more difficult to read, more cluttered.

savid: chop off the end with a template tag?

fink_, no, can't use a templatetag for the change list -- unless I want to override a ton of code

:(

At any rate, I think I've found the issue. It seems like there's still a bug in django, and I'm filing a ticket now.

... and a patch :-P

savid: how are you formatting it? by what mechanism?

because if all you've done is str(datetimevalue) you'll get it in ISO format... it's how Python datetimes work

FunkyBob, The documentation says I can use DATETIME_FORMAT to set the format for anywhere datetimes are used in the admin.

in admin.. ok [hadn't read back far enough to see that]

yeah, this is in the change list.

(and elsewhere)

wait... are you using date/time format strings as from the date tag?

or real Python ones?

eep... looks like they use their 'now' format

hey, I need to store a list of (float, float) pairs to define the boundaries of a polygon. what would be the best way to store them in my model?

(order matters, otherwise I'd just use a foreign key)

mynnx: considered the GIS extensions? I hear they have coordinate fields

mynnx: store the bounding box in fields, and store serialized blob of the polygon points?