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it doesn't mean all that much, no

k

lauren_: It means there are more Rails books than Django books, and nothing more.

it mostly means, as david said, that rails has been around longer

Rails is a much more mature framework

lauren_: djangobook

davidcramer: here's the code in my template http://dpaste.com/63524/

i hope it doesn't mean Rails can grow faster cuz of the support available

i would doubt that

sjl: honestly I ran into the issue of trying to make my own things like that so I wrote that template filter for anything else I write custom widgets

lauren_: No, it doesn't mean anything beyond what you already said.

you'd be surprised at the quality of the django books available ;)

k :)

sjl: it puts lots of classes/wrappers so it was easy to style things or hook them with JS

lauren_: Quantity isn't quality, nor does it speak in any meaningful way to the community or the project.

mattmcc: true

davidcramer: Yeah, for the most part what I'm doing works perfectly but the initial data is what I'm getting hung up on. I was hoping there was a simple solution

unfortunately, though, there are some large organizations that use the availability of published books as an indication of the maturity of a project

and thus the sheer number of books on something can, sometimes, impact its adoption

sjl: ya IMO the data access needs standardized

but that's not very common, and not good practice anyway

because you honestly dont see a difference between initial and current, you usually are only caring about current, which can be initial (but its not setup that way)

Well, there's not much we can do about poor decision making skills in organizations.

true

hello

davidcramer: Yep. On the first round current should == initial, subsequent rounds current should == data

mattmcc http://dpaste.com/63523/ (i have removed some unnecessary code but the required parts are there) , the point is that if on my render_to_response i pass 'form" : form , it renderes the original data , but with "form": fc (where fc the cleaned data )it doesnt work )

I guess I could pass an additional "has_been_submitted" variable to the form through the view (because the view knows when it's the Nth go-round) and decide on initial/data based on that...

s/to the form/to the template/

That seems kind of ugly though

axelis: There's a pattern to form processing established in the docs to address this.

In ubuntu hardy with django 0.96. i have the problem -> http://pastebin.com/d1ab2ccd when i go to the http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin/ . Help, please.

sjl: it is ugly, and im not quite sure if Im just not educated on the manner, but its one of my biggest complaints with the form libs

mattmcc , i am not quite sure i understand what you mean , there is an example in the documentary on how to solve this ?

axelis: For example, http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/for...

marcooliva: did you do a syncdb after adding sessions?

marcooliva: If at all possible, you should stop using 0.96.

dwsBeta2: Yes. i run python manage.py syncdb

mattmcc: But ubuntu hardy only have this version.

marcooliva: Ignore it, install a newer version by hand.

matmcc , but i dont want to send an empty form , i need to send the cleaned_data back

You do not want to be starting a new project with 0.96.

axelis: Wait, you want to redisplay the form if it _is_ valid?

i hate how ubuntu requires an entire os upgrade just to get new software :)

you can install new software from 3rd party sources just fine

yes but through aptitude

my network connection is terrible... did my message get through?

which managing non-deb packages = a pita on many servers

davidcramer: Not unlike any other OS..

gnewsense only have the main and universe repos

mattmcc: not quite, i just dont see a reaso they cant upgrade say 2 year old ubuntu repos with new versions of django for eample

did anyone see my previous (long) message? if not, i repost

davidcramer: It'd be unrealistic from a support perspective.

brendoli: just repost

Hey, I'm designing my portfolio website on top of Django. There are two sections at the moment...The front page, and the portfolio page. The front page has a completely different layout (only same colors) than the portfolio section of the site. What is the best way to handle the different styles? Should I write two separate style sheets? Should I set the different style sheets as variables in Django and pass them in as template tags? A

mattmcc: why? justmake sure dependancies are available in the repo if they are then a package should be able to update

davidcramer: You fall into the RedHat trap of "I'm running RHEL4" not meaning anything, because it could be RHEL4+all sorts of errata.

i mean they obviously allow updates

but i dont get where the line is drawn

security updates

In Debian, the line is drawn quite simply; no new packages that add more than security updates.

Otherwise you can't promise your customer base that a particular version of your OS is functionally stable.

ya, i figured, and i ahte it :)

It's a good thing. Critical, even, if you expect to be providing a product that people can depend upon.

or at least make a apt-get upgrade-my-effing-os-for-me

Upgrades between Ubuntu versions tend to be a one-click affair.

(on that note, i have no idea how upgrades work)

we have a server admin for that, but its always hours of downtime

Debian and Debian-based systems have dist-upgrade for that.

davidcramer, use gentoo then

Point your source list at the new repo, do a dist-upgrade, you're done.

If you have hours of downtime, it's probably due to other matters.

mattmcc , on my form validating , for specific fields (example the user giving me a huge integer) , instead of raising a forms.ValidationError , i am setting the number to another value , i want to be able to send those values back to be redisplayed to the user , i need to know if i can send the form.cleaned_data back to the user ,

Of course, you still want to stage that and do QA before deploying to a production setting, but at least the process of installing the new packages is fairly simple.

axelis: I would still use validation. You can tell your form's clean function to both raise an error and change the value.

how can i tell the form to change the value ?

and display that value to the user

(i can do it by making a new form and setting initial={} but i am looking for something else)

ok anyone who suggested lxml, loving it ;)

i don't want to raise an error , just to be able to send the cleaned_data back to the user

As a prepopulated form.

davidcramer: suprisingly enough, I was getting better results with lxml compared to BS too

i plan to see if i cant simply extend its objectify method so the class returned has a bunch of simple accessors for the common rss/atom nodes

So you mean like i said to set initial={} ?

in a form, someone puts in a URL - on this URL i want to validate some stuff, so I fetch the html and look through it. If it is valid, later, I want to do stuff with the html. WHere is the best place to validate the URL? Also, if i do this in clean_url method, then how do I pass the HTML to the view?

(does this make sense?)

I was thinking about validating in the clean_url method, but how do I pass the newly gotten html to the view from this clean method?

mib_mib, I'm not quite sure whether I understood you correctly, but you can access the cleaned data in dictionary form through yourforminstance.cleaned_data

mib_mib: that's not really the right place to do such a thing unless the html is part of the validation

rozwell: right - well, what i am doing is parsing out an rss feed href from the html, the URL is only valid if it contains an rss feed tag

what is the best way to do this then?

carlocci: right - i was thinking about creating a hidden input widget, and then setting this value in one of the clean methods, and then overriding the main clean method so that it didn't screw up the html input...

i guess i can use some ajax then to do that instead

30 minutes and and my RSS/Atom parser is already a huge step up over feedparser, haha

davidcramer: I suppose what you're measuring steps in.

*it depends on

jlilly: trust me ;)

there are likely a lot of edge cases your's doesn't cover, and while that isn't likely something you're worried about, is kinda nice for a general purpose library.

its just wrapping the output of lxml.objectify

basically grabs the feed type, and returns a proper handler which returns different things for diff tags