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hi ya ppl!

yeah, me talking to myself

ojii: that was for u

hi k.

ojii: and webfaction is slightly cheaper. just depends on your individual needs though

kyrix, doesn't look like enough ram does it?

ummm ... I was playing around with django and I had a weird idea. Has anyone used django with pygame ?

ojii: its almost like a vps. thats the ram you have available to you.

kthakore: Doesn't seem like a particularly useful combination.

ojii: i mean, almost like a vps in funcionality. ram: thats the ram that is available to you. on a vps you have your apps + operating system

Any simple way to make a django contact forum?

well too late now kyrix

ojii: hehe. next time :D

ojii: installing django on webfaction is almost 1 click :p

kyrix, django wasn't the problem, not at all

My idea is to try this on django http://ezide.com/games/writing-games.html#archi...

where the django sits on pygame and twisted instead of web code?

kthakore: But why? :)

What does Django contribute to that?

mattmcc: Quicker game development

mattc oh django doesn;t do that

Which part of Django makes that quicker?

mattmcc, I do I am just wondering if anyone has tried doing something like this for django

mattmcc: probably to go where no man has gone before. great ideas come out of boredom sometimes

kyrix, exactly.

I guess it's been awhile since I was that bored.

anyone here a mod_rewrite god??

oops that's one question mark too much

talking about boredom, i was in the bathtub and was thinking about a site called wikimodels

mattmcc : work for a bank parsing text files in abap and perl and oracle

where you type in Car, and you get a standard Car Model definition that you could use dynamically.

ojii, no one is a mod_rewrite god

kyrix omg thats brilliant

mattmc : what would be the best maneer ? because I ran though templatetags, wrapped generic views, etc :p

well kthakore in my definitions a mod_rewrite god can do the very basics of mod_rewrite within 48 hours

ojii definatly not me

dammit

whats a mod? whats rewrite? ;)

cx42net_: generic views are ok and fine, by 90% of the time i through them out after the first prototype, don't get too wound up about trying to use them all the time

ojii: ask a question instead :)

god i must be out of it s/by/but, s/through/throw

I'm interacting with a model via a form; this interaction alters the underlying database but also performs a bunch of validation. I'd like to do this interaction after clean() has been called (in my form's save() method) but I don't know how to do pre-validate that the model's method will work. Is there a standard practice for doing this?

so back to the question I had has anyone use or twisted django for something other then web apps?

maybe add a class in my model that return the correct i18n_profile from profile ? something like : p = Profile.objects.get(pk=1) and p.get_i18n_profile() taht return the correct profile regarding to the context (that contain the current language)

Is that would be a way to achieve my goals ?

i.e., should my model have "validate_action()" and "commit_action()" where commit_action does no validation?

okay what i want: lets say someone calls my site www.mysite.com/blah. i want mod_rewrite to check if blah is a subfolder of /my/folder/ and if yes send the user there, if not it should call my wsgi script

ps mattmcc: this is where I had this idea come from http://osdir.com/ml/DjangoUsers/2009-07/msg0012...

ojii: in the DocumentRoot?

of course, that would be wikimodel v1. wikimodels version two, would also come with prepopulated data, and then ill write the part of django where model data can reside anywhere on the web, and then... ahh. :) i guess im happy i managed that aggregate :D

[530], at the moment i have a WSGIScriptAlias to / but i want to change that to DocumentRoot and then via mod_rewrite or whatever method split all incoming requests to either those files or to the wsgi file.

kthakore: Sure, I run console Django scripts all the time, to interact with models.

kthakore: I'm still not sure how Django would be of use to a pygame app.

the folder and the wsgi file are not in the same directory tho, could be move if really necessary tho

anybody here a bored geodjango freak?

ojii: that really would be best

okay [530] lets say those things are all in the same folder, how would i do that?

simpler fundmental django question: should model method's do validation? or should validation occur in the associated forms?

t3mp3st: well, you could argue both :D

t3mp3st: At the moment, models don't do validation. That's a GSoC project.

t3mp3st: So presently, the question is: If you did put validation in your model, how would you deal with invalid data?

Unless you have a good answer for that, you're probably better off using forms to validate.

mattmcc: imagine making controllers, model django style with the views and events handle by pygame

mattmcc: I've been tempted to put the logic in the forms -- alas, I'm concerned that in the future I'll want to interact with my models via a different interface

kthakore: But you're talking about two fundamentally different event models.

mattmcc: the trouble is that the operation and the validation occur in parallel -- (do step 1; validate result; if good, do step 2; validate... etc)

mattmcc: hence the mediator pattern from the above link

kthakore: I still don't see the benefit.

It sounds like a solution looking for a problem.

mattmcc: exactly ... : P .

essentially, I'm not sure if it would be better to swallow my pride and have the model method's be naive (no validation) and assume interaction will always use the form; or, to split model method into validate/commit variants

mattmc: let me get back with a proof of concept.

mattmcc: i realize this is a totally unfair question :P but I was hoping you might be willing to point me in one direction or the other

t3mp3st: At the moment, if you want to validate data, I'd just make sure interactions with models (Which involve writing data) go through forms.

t3mp3st: do it in the forms or use another framework ;0

mattmcc, my question then is where can I read about django's event models.

t3mp3st: I wouldn't want to spend time with the other approach, knowing what's coming down the line anyway.

andym/mattmcc: thank you :D... sometimes I need a little bit of hand holding ;)

I put my static files in apache /var/www under apache and changed my media url to http://localhost:80/static/ but it doesnt work from another computer on the local area network, what do I set MEDIA_ROOT to ?

kthakore: This would be a good read for that: http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2006/jun/13/how-dj...

mattmcc: thanks for your help, I appreciate. Now it's 1.40 am, I'm going to bed, I'll try to figure it out tomorrow how to achieve my problem !

mattmcc: Thanks

shivraj_: of course another computer won't see http://localhost:80/static

aghh .. ok

shivraj_: set MEDIA_URL to either http://yourhostname/static or http://[yourip]/static

[530], do you know how i mod_rewrite to a wsgi script? is that even possible?

shivraj_ ... with a trailing / of course

anyone have experience with pinax?

SmileyChris: yes, I get it, just need to work on this thing from a laptop ... thanks

ojii: not directly, but you can redirect to a url that is served using the wsgi, so easier if you have the wsgi served at different "dir"

I've come to the conclusion, there isn't a public drop in blog app for django

ojii: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/713213/modre...

yea just found one as well [530] , also you can redirect to wsgi

but you need to AddHandler on that directory

only problem i have left is that / shows an index and not the index of the wsgi script

ojii: i'm no expert at mod rewrite but can you dpaste the config?

djbpython: http://byteflow.su/docs/index.html doesn't look bad

nvm [530] got it :D