DjangoBot: #django

is_superuser gives user all permissions without having to explicitly having to assign them.

heh

all that time, and it was so simple :(

is diferent this result ? {% ifnotequal value "" %} and id value is u''

oh STOP ASKING THAT

WE DO NOT KNOW

django tellme that not

then what dooo

if it fails on that when value is u'' then obviously it doesn't work like that

who the fuck knows, go try some stuff

don't ask things you've already answered for yourself

if it fails if fails

a veteran fix?

heh

that question could mean so many things

if its truly failing on that, go file a bug and find some other way to do it

er, not so much failing, but if it enters the first half, not the else, that's a bug

Are there any convincing documents describing why one should use Django over other web frameworks?

Do there need to be?

Web frameworks, like any other tool, are often a fairly personal choice.

dtolj: i've tried around 6 different frameworks until i settled on Django

But in terms of features ease of use and functionality/security how does one decide?

it is purely personal preference

dtolj: try it and you'll see why you should use it ;)

dtolj: One tries out the options one is considering.

dtolj: Same here - I think the best way to try is to go through the basic tutorial for each one.

there are so many out there i am particularly looking between Django and Rails

dtolj: you just have to try them and see which you feel most comfortable with.

Because really, at the end of the day they all have sufficiently similar feature sets to all let you do the same task fairly easily. Just in different ways.

either you pick one and work on it until you like it, or you pick both, and start leaning toward the one you like.

i see,

Adoleo: dtolj: all i can say is, try them both for a few weeks and see which you're happiest with. i chose Django because the Python language enforces well formatted code.

For my lights, I like python more than ruby, and that's all I need.

pure bias, plain and simple :)

do you guys use Django more because of Python language or other features you like in that framework?

Yes.

hahaha

win

dtolj: i've chosen django because i like python

you could always try zope3 then

so its really a comparison between Python and Ruby programming languages

Django isn't the only python framework.. but it is the best imho :)

but i'm still trying to wrap my head around it :P

i'd choose ruby for all the masses on "plug-in" components

ugh, zope makes me sad. I tried so hard to like it :(

dtolj: Again - same here. I love Python, and found that Django made more sense to me than TurboGearas

dtolj: having great documentation is also a big plus

SmileyChris: do you find rails lacking in documentation?

i would say RoR has a bigger userbase, but i can see more people moving to django when we reach v1.0

I would have guessed they're pretty flush there

and a great community :)

kojiro: didn't mean to compare the two - just putting out a good feature of Django

ah, ok

can't say i've done much rails work past just a basic tute to try it out (a long time ago)

indeed. i always felt like the RoR community wanted to protect teh secrets and not let me into their group

Are you sure you weren't using the Scientology framework?

import RonHubbard

plus, it has a stupidly massive project structure

I demand that any framework I use have users who laugh at my jokes

RoR is nice but we had a hell of a time porting functionality between one project and another.. Thats what I like about django

mattmcc: nope, they kept that one a secret too!

raise ExcessiveThetanLevel

i do like our community and the level of support in both the tutes adn the channel

morning, davidcramer

DigitalVibe: and it does have that "community" feel

FunkyBob: it certainly does. i'd have ditched learning Django if the community was poor - it's you guys that've helped me learn

"There's something about python"

I don't think I've met a python developer I didn't like.

if i {% load mytpltags %} in they are not automatically inherited by pages which extend base.html? is this correct?

andre_pl: that's correct

andre_pl: correct that they are not :P

anyone care to help debug a custom filestorage backend problem (S3)? FileFields work great all th way around, but no ImageFields are processed correctly. At least, I cannot retreive and view any images from S3. Not sure how to start on this

thats because you meet so few of them :p

SmileyChris: kind of a nuissance, is there no way to load them everywhere?

farastray: t3h hahaz

What generally causes this type of error?? "django.contrib.admin.sites.AlreadyRegistered: The mode Category is already registered"

shadfc: i've never touched S3, but you are doing image.url on the imagefield, yes?

anyone know why my models aren't appearing in the admin, but i can access them in the shell?

registering in models.py instead of admin.py, savid

dexter: following old admin directions instead of new?

shadfc: as in, FileField uses .get_image_url, where as ImageField uses image.url

this is a new project based on the latest source code

FINALLY!

DigitalVibe: the images themselves seem to get corrupted between admin and S3. I can upload, and it says it worked. And then I view/download the image from S3, and its not a valid image.

dexter: so you're not using the inner admin class, but instead modeladmin classes and admin.site.register or whatever?

Have I mentioned how much I hate SQL? :)

yes

wmealing!

it is me !

DigitalVibe: however, using the regular filesystemstorage backend, everything is great

andre_pl: technically you could use django.template add_to_builtins

FunkyBob: i'm going to write an app for the appstore, serverside django clientside objc

Magus-, hmm at this point, I don't have admin.py set up yet (just playing around w/ models right now). I'm thinking it's an issue with mptt (since it only occurs on my mptt models).

wmealing: ooh

now to learn objc

magus: sorry you lost me

i mean, how hard can it be.. adobe does it.

dexter: how are you telling admin to show your models?

shadfc: i can't help i'm afraid :(